Tuesday, December 9, 2008

Supreme Court to Determine (Or Not) Legality of Berg v. Obama

UPDATE 19 DECEMBER 2008: Jeff Schreiber's America's Right blog had an update posted yesterday entitled Berg: Injunction Dismissed, Case "Alive and Well. Check it out.

UPDATE 9 DECEMBER 2008: NEIN Director Doug Hagmann's article from Sunday, "Getting a Handle on the OBAMA Birth Certificate “Conspiracy,” gives you the professional investigators point of view on this extremely important issue. It's not aboout the man, or the office being ursurped. It is about the United States Constitution. Period.

Doug's point about Obama and his lawyers spending somewhere between $800K and $1 million to ursup the office of the President of the United States is not to be overlooked. For a mere $12.50 Obama could absolutely prevent the usurpation of that esteemed office. The obvious conclusion all loyal Americans must draw is that Obama's camp would rather pay one million dollars to establish a World Socialist "democracy" than two-hours worth of the mandated federal minimum wage to preserve this Constitutional Republic. Yes, the Office of the president of the United States will not only be usurped on January 20th, but it will have been thoroughly compromised as an American institution.

I am of the opinion that all Constitutional legal recourse to prevent the ursurpation of the American Presidency has been overcome by a World Socialist juggernaut from both within the halls of our government and from external financiers. It is my opinion that the only hope for the rule of law to prevail in these United States now rests within the Oaths of Office sworn, or affirmed, unto God by the commissioned officer corps of the United States Armed Forces. In their hands now lies the fate of this Republic.

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UPDATE 4 DECEMBER 2008: As most of us know tomorrow is going to be a big day in the SCOTUS. The court is meeting in committee and the "rule of four" is in effect regarding Obama's "natural born citizen" issue that arises from the not-so-small matter of Constitutional Law.

I think every red-blooded American aware of this issue, every one who has not relegated it to the realm of wide-eyed conspiracy or placed it aside because it didn't pass their personal "smell test," and every one just now becoming aware of it must side with the rule of law and agree on these two specific points:

1.) IT IS THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, ARTICLE III, SECTION 2 WHICH COMPELLS THE SUPREME COURT TO EXECUTE ITS JUDICIAL POWER "TO ALL CASES, IN LAW AND EQUITY, ARISING UNDER THIS CONSTITUTION THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES,..."

2.) The law which arises under this Constitution now before the Supreme Court is found in the fifth paragraph of Article II, Section 1: "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;..."

Irregardless of any other consideration, if you are an American citizen you must side with the rule of Constitutional law. If you are an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court you must uphold Constitutional law. There is nothing more to say on this issue if we are to stand with our Constitution and its Republic. Period.

This is the burden placed upon Barack Hussein Obama II - to unabiguously prove that he is "a natural born citizen" of these United States. To this point new evidences are emerging from the various hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii where Obama was allegedly born. NONE of them have any record of Obama being born or of his mother having been in them. To read the details on these emergent issues please go visit the EarthFrisk Blog.


UPDATE 20 NOVEMBER 2008: There has been some forward movement in SCOTUS Docket 08-570, Berg v. Barack Obama, et al. An entry on the docket webpage appeared yesterday, Wednesday, 19 November recording the filing made the day before. This entry makes clear that the at least one of respondents filed a waiver on their right to respond to the SCOTUS-granted Writ of Certiorari (sur-shee-uh-rare-eye). The waiver was filed by Gregory C. Garre, the Solicitor General of the United Sates Department of Justice (i.e. representing ONLY the United States Government and none of the other respondents) simply states:

"The Government hereby waives its right to file a response to the petition in this case, unless requested to do so by the Court."

SCOTUS has not requested a response from any of the respondents in this case. It is not mandatory for the respondents to file a response. SCOTUS has only set a no-later-than due date should the respondents choose to file a response to the Writ of Certiorari.

The specific meaning of why the Government waived its right to respond is murky at best. It could be a good thing for the chances of Phil Berg's case, or it could be an omen of it's imminent dismissal by the Justice Souter. I am of the opinion it might be the latter, but I could be wrong, and, moreover, hope I am wrong because this is about the Constitutionality of Barack Obama becoming POTUS, and the Government has effectively said it has no comment on the matter, which effectively means to myself that it has no comment on the rule of law, i.e. the U.S. Constitution. I can't wait to see what happens next in this case.

In another matter, the case brought before SCOTUS Justice Clarence Thomas by my fellow New Jerseyan, Leo C. Donofrio, and assigned Docket No. 08A407, was updated yesterday to reflect that it will be discussed in Court during a Friday, 5 December conference. Overall this is a positive development, just as the AIP/Ambassador Alan Keyes case in California made national news (finally).


Update 14 November 2008: An article at WorldNetDaily by Chelsea Schilling has all of the latest details. Check it out. My syopsis of this article is that I concur with its conclusion, having stated the same conclusion several times: the status of the issue remains a question of whether what is in Hawai'i is a certification of Barack Hussein Obama's live birth or a Hawai'ian certificate of live birth. Pay close attention to those two bold words, they are two very different things. The later would make Obama a "natural born" American citizen, and the latter merely a record of his "live birth" on foreign soil and an immediate Constitutional concern for the SCOTUS. Therefore, I remain convinced that this is an issue for SCOTUS to sort out once and for all and I implore SCOTUS Justice Clarence Thomas to initiate a decision to do exactly that as expeditiously as possible.

Update 10 November 2008: Three items of direct relevance to this subject were just brought to my attention. First item is the draft of a WeThePeople Foundation full-page ad to be published inUSA TODAY the week of November 17, 2008. The second item is a petition to the Federal Election Commission and Mr. Donald McGahan, FEC chairman, to take responsibility to verify the eligibility of Mr. Barack H. Obama to be President of the United States which citizen patriots can sign (anonymously if desired) and submit to become personally engaged in this issue. There third item is found in the third paragraph of the original report below.

May I be sold bold as to remind everyone that no American citizen has stated the obvious more concisely or directly than President Abraham Lincoln in his Gettysburg Address. President Lincoln's words concerning those who made the ultimate sacrifice during the Civil War are equally applicable to all American patriots who have made that same sacrifice over the past 145 years to the present; his tasker for those of us alive this day remains our sacred duty.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.


But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.


09 NOVEMBER 2008 (Amended): Supreme Court Of The United States (SCOTUS) Justice David Souter has agreed that a review of the federal lawsuit filed by attorney Phil Berg against Barack Hussein Obama II, et al., which was subsequently dismissed for lack of standing is warranted. SCOTUS Docket No. 08-570 contains the details.

A review of that docket and the Rule 10 of the Supreme Court makes abundantly clear that Justice Souter's granting of a review on the Writ of Certiorari is not a right entitled to citizen Phil Berg, but rather is a matter of judcial discretion based upon a compelling reasons. That compelling reason is the Constitutional requirement that "No person except a natural born citizen ... shall be eligible to the office of President..."

What this means is that on or before 1 DECEMBER 2008 Judge Surrick, who presides over the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, must respond to the Writ of Certiorari (sur-shee-uh-rare-eye) by providing to SCOTUS Justice Souter all documents and court proceedings in the case of Berg v. Obama. The crux of the matter here is that Obama (et al.) filed only a motion to dismiss on the grounds on Phil Berg's "lack of standing" to file the lawsuit. No information countering Berg's allegations or challenges to Obama's status as a natural born citizen were addressed. Judge Surrick agreed with the Obama motion and dismissed the case due to Berg's "lack of standing." Justice Souter will most certainly see the specific challenge to Obama's eligibilty pursuant to the Constitutional requirement for president and subsequently may then issue an order for Obama (et al.) to submit docmentation proving his natural born citizenship status to Judge Surrick, or to provide them directly to the SCOTUS.

Another very salient fact to consider at this time is that, despite all of the pronouncements of the print and broadcast media, Barack Obama is not yet the President-elect of the United States. Barack Obama can only become the President-elect after the Electoral College convenes on 15 DECEMBER 2008 in their respective state capitals around the nation and casts their votes to elect the President and the Vice President. As you can see this election day occurs two weeks after the required response to the Supreme Court granted Writ of Certiorari.

The bottom line is this: the presidential election of 2008 remains an ongoing process, the outcome of which remains undetermined, and all talk about a potential Constitutional crisis in the United States are at least 36 days premature.

100 comments:

ArmyMan said...

Ok, now let me see if my line of thinking is correct. If Obama does not provide proof, he is in contempt of court? If he does provide proof and he is NOT a natural born citizen, who becomes President? McCain/Palin? Biden? Are there any charges that can be placed on Obama for violating the law or is it because he is only the President-Elect and not the President?

And my last pondering question is if in the wildest, far fetched possibility Obama is not lying (I know, hard to beleive) BUT if he is a natural citizen, is there enough electoral college votes to still keep him out of office or is that process on the 15th just a mute point?

I know, lots of questions but I am still researching these questions and not having much luck.

ArmyMan said...

Ok somehow or other when I looked at this article the links did not show up. when I posted they showed a second time. But after reading the Electoral college link I am now even more confused on if Obama is not eligible who is next in line.

Sometimes it just gets frustrating on trying to figure out all this left talk and right talk without having a Law Degree to understand this type of language. This is why I feel we need to go back to the government being Volunteers to serve and they were just plain people whom did for the neighbor and the friends instead of these paid people who are required to go to crook school.

Anonymous said...

This is very interesting and encouraging.

Armyman raises some good questions.

The earlier argument for osama not simply releasing his b.c. melts away now that the Supreme Court is involved.

If we prevail can you imagine? Those of us who remember '68 know that it will be a Japanese Tea Ceremony by comparison.

Anonymous said...

Harvard Ph.d. comments on Obama Birth Certificate issue

OBAMA MUST STAND UP NOW OR STEP DOWN



By Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr., Ph.D., J.D.
October 29, 2008

NewsWithViews.com

America is facing potentially the gravest constitutional crisis in her history. Barack Obama must either stand up in a public forum and prove, with conclusive documentary evidence, that he is “a natural born Citizen” of the United States who has not renounced his American citizenship—or he must step down as the Democratic Party’s candidate for President of the United States—preferably before the election is held, and in any event before the Electoral College meets.

To see full article see: http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=16283

Edwin Vieira, Jr., holds four degrees from Harvard: A.B. (Harvard College), A.M. and Ph.D. (Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences), and J.D. (Harvard Law School).
For more than thirty years he has practiced law, with emphasis on constitutional issues. In the Supreme Court of the United States he successfully argued

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Plaintiffs In This Suit Against Obama Include A Former Presidential Candidate, A Pastor, And The Chairman Of One Of The Third Parties

Obama Birth Certificate Update
Posted on November 7, 2008
I’ve been told that another challenge to Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president was either filed yesterday or will be filed today. While I cannot get into any details, the plaintiffs in this suit include a former presidential candidate, a pastor, and the chairman of one of the third parties.
The suit will focus on the constitutional requirement that a presidential candidate must be a natural born citizen, and that Obama fails to qualify since the evidence indicates he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii as he has claimed.
http://thevalleytruth.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/obama-birth-certificate-update/

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PA State Rep Authoring Legislation on Candidate Eligibility Based on Obama Citizenship Questions

This morning, Jeff reports via PolitickerPA.com that Pennsylvania State Representative Daryl Metcalfe (R-Butler County) is authoring a bill regarding Presidential eligibility:
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=340

SeanOsborne said...

I definitely need to expound for everyone on the very profound implications of what I have written in this NEIN Blog entry.

First, look at and read carefully the words seen in the image. What is stated there is the function of the federal judiciary, particularly and pentultimately, the U.S. Supreme Court. There is no higher leagal authority in the U.S. Government.

Obama [or his lawyer(s)] MUST respond no later than 1 DEC to the SCOTUS-granted Writ of Certiorari.

VERY, VERY FEW writs of this type are ever granted by SCOTUS.

This writ was granted due to some very compelling reasons - the number one reason hinges on whether Obama is Constitutionally elibible to hold the office of POTUS.

Obama MUST respond NLT 01DEC08.

Obaama has two options in his response.

1. Tell the SCOTUS to take a flying leap by repeating his non-response to the federal court in PA or by asking for dismissal.

This is NOT a viable option for Obama to take. Remember your elementary, high school and college-level "Government 101" class education on the three co-equal branches of our government. Would Obama dare to tick-off deluxe the currently Conservative majority in the SCOTUS? He might, but, again, that course of action is highly inadvisable. I can conceive that should Obama flip the court the bird that the SCOTUS would then hold Obama in contempt and subpoena his vault birth certificate from the State of Hawai'i. Then the fight would really be on.

2. Comply and provide exactly what is requested of him in the Writ.

Obama is between a rock and a hard place IF there is no legal proof that he was born in Hawai'i. Evidence and legal proceedings to date strongly indicate that this is the fact of the matter.

Barack Obama IS NOT the President-elect. NOT YET. Obama does not become President-elect until the Electoral College electors cast their ballots on 15DEC08.

Which occurs first - Supreme Court proceedings, of the Electoal College voting?

The Electoral College electors in the various states do not have to vote for Obama. They can cast their votes for whomever they choose for both President and Vice President.

As I sstated the 2008 election process is not over- it is still very much an active process - with key Constitutional issues before the Supreme Court of the land.

So why is NO ONE in the MSM talking about this???

riverChief said...

one thing has me very confused

i had one of the highest security clearances in the Navy (TS/SI)

i remember having to prove my citizenship and then it still took 6 months to get it

BO is recieving briefings by DNI?????????

how??????????

SeanOsborne said...

One final point on the granting of the Writ of Certiorari:

This issue is no longer a Berg vs. Obama legal issue. On the contrary, it is now and for all intents and purposes a SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES versus Barack Obama legal issue.

SeanOsborne said...

riverChief,

You're exactly correct.

How can these briefings be ongoing when Obama is not yet officially the President-elect?

More to the point - since we can logically assume that the briefings being given to Obama are at least at the level of Top Secret - Special Compartmented Intelligence (TS-SCI), the Special Background Investigation REQUIRED PRIOR TO the granting of the appropriate need-to-know clearance level to Obama was conducted by whom? The FBI? The Defense Security Service (DSS)?

Obama's historical racord of abundant, long-term associations with radicals, communists and other assorted anti-American personages should have disqualified him, virtually automatically, from gaining any level security clearance.

ArmyMan said...

Then Sean, according to the facts of Security Clearance and yeah mine was never as high as ya'lls (riverchief and Sean), mine was for the security force of a defense plant, limited access to my grade level and above, anyway I am wondering, if the government is already giving Obama the grand tour of the facilities and security briefings, then our government again has already screwed up? If he is having access he is not allowed to at this time and making changes when he has no authority to, then yes why has the MSM given Obama a pass? Why are we giving the guy the red carpet treatment when right now he is no better than me or you?

And please forgive me but if the electoral college can choose a different President then the one we voted for, or in my case the one I voted for did not win, who gets the office?

If Obama shows the courts that he is not a citizen, does the presidency go to McCain? Or as you are saying, the electoral college can vote for anyone else other than the ones who ran? This is where I am so confused right now. MSM is saying Obama is the President Elect but we know as being stated here, the electoral college has not met yet and that is not until 15Dec2008 so he is not. Obama is just a man with his name at the top of the list. So even if the person who wins the race, the electoral college can override the country vote? I knew I should have paid more attention in Government 101. lol

SeanOsborne said...

ArmyMan said...
" ...if the government is already giving Obama the grand tour of the facilities and security briefings, then our government again has already screwed up?"

Yes, the government is in the process screwing up big-time.

Barack Obama is not the president-elect.

No one is the president-elect at this time.

And depending on the final outcome of Supreme Court docket 08-570 Barack Obama might never become the "president-elect" irregardless of what occured in the national vote on 4 NOV.

This is completely uncharted territory. What will happen if Obama is declared ineligible for the office? I don't know.

However, I do know there's a couple of weeks between 1 DEC when the response is due and 15 December when the EC votes for all kinds of unprededented things to happen, or conversely, not to happen.

Anonymous said...

My impression is that of an essential level event. We just returned from our Church from Sunday Services. Our Church is of the Anglican Communion (American Episcopal) and it is in Fort Lauderdale. Our Church has become decidedly eclectic with membership from something like fifty-two ethnic groups,we have everything! Our Assistant Priest is from Kenya. Our Head Priest is from Quebec originally. At least 50% of our congration is not Anglo (we are Anglo/white)or Hispanic but rather Black. Anyway, prayers were offered today on behalf, not just of Obama but his family in addition to those offered for McCain and of course the sitting President. The emotional reaction during the prayers for Obama was really really weird. Unsettlingly weird. After Church everyone was referencing Obama when they spoke as "He" or "Him" but never by name. There seems to be a high level of expectation. I have not seen anything like this, not even under Reagan. It is adualtion. It is strange and the emotional content is high. What ever the Supreme Court does, it had better find a way to be diplomatic because the emotional backlash could be huge.

riverChief said...

LOL

SCOTUS is alotta things

diplomatic aint one of them

Anonymous said...

"LOL

SCOTUS is alotta things

diplomatic aint one of them

November 9, 2008 3:47 PM"

Hey when you are an observer in a fly on the wall experience - you gotta pay attention. It is weird out there.
Anon

riverChief said...

anyone that has been in combat

knows exactly what MARTIAL LAW

is

since we were the ones providing it

and no im not a christian conservative or a liberal or an independent

i vote for the person like JFK

and REAGAN and BUSH

riverChief said...

personal attacks have no place on this blog

get over it

and get on with it

Backstop said...

Sean,

Too bad you can't find some kind of Etiquette Determining Software, and run it in conjunction with the Registration process.

Backstop said...

And that 'security thing' with Obama is most unsettling.

I just don't know what to make of it.

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HAHA!

We were called patriot wannabes.

Anonymous said...

Responding to Anonymous [ November 9, 2008 3:29 PM ]...

"My impression is that of an essential level event." ..."The emotional reaction during the prayers for Obama was really really weird. Unsettlingly weird. After Church everyone was referencing Obama when they spoke as 'He' or 'Him' but never by name. There seems to be a high level of expectation. I have not seen anything like this, not even under Reagan. It is adualtion. It is strange and the emotional content is high."

I couldn't have expressed that any better myself. I too experienced (and have been experiencing) the very same thing.

You bring to light many interesting things. I also have seen my lib associates frequently refer in reverent tones to "Him" and "He" without ever mentioning his name. They communicate with each other at a different level...a level that pegs my creep meter. It's exactly the same way the pod people in the original Invasion of the Body Snatchers 'just knew' who else was One of Them...as they quietly set about their mission...

It's exactly as you described - "Unsettlingly weird" with a undefined reverent expectation of...something... Indeed obama has said "This is our time, this is our moment"

I think even the most clueless or perhaps least spiritually attuned just know that "things are weird" or "something's going to happen" or sense that this election was just somehow...different...

Eschatologically in the end we're going to have to choose, not just once but multiple times. I think that process has begun. I think we're all engaged in a process, unique to our time, that we have no control over and that can't be reversed.

Anonymous said...

I forgot to add one important thing - the element or component of imminentness.

Evil in particular knows that time is very, very, short and that they must act now - expressed quite directly by The One...

"This is our time, this is our moment".

SeanOsborne said...

Well, I'm not sure what an "essential level event" is.

I remember a movie that used the phrase "extinction level event."

No matter.

What is at stake here is nothing but the Law of the Land.

The Constitution.

IF Barack Obama cannot prove to the satisfaction of the Supreme Court via the Writ of Certiorari that he was in fact born on U.S. soil then it is the DUTY of the SCOTUS to uphold that law within the Constitution irregardless of what emotions of certain individuals are involved, and irregardless of the results of the Nov. 4 election.

If the Barack Obama is ineligible to hold the office of POTUS, tuff noogies, he is inelligible. Period.
THAT is the legal application of THE RULE OF LAW.

On the other hand, if Barack Obama was born in Hawai'i as claimed, and has documentary proof of it... then in all likelihood Barack Obama will collect the Electoral College votes on 15 DEC and become the President-elect.

We'll have to wait and see how this develops.

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Other than this I deleted all the nonsense comments posted.

Now I can go back and enjoy the 2nd half of the Giants-Eagles game.

ArmyMan said...

I just wanted to post on some of the effects of the Obama movement here in Texas. This gentleman is a gun dealer and he has said that at the last two gun shows there has been a run on people buying rifles and handguns. Also he is unable to get any ammo from his suppliers due to OUT OF STOCK. He also said that a handgun he purchased for 185.00 was given the OBAMA discount and cost 1100.00. He stated all gun sales at shows the prices have been jacked due to the rush of people buying.

Now all of this is happening before he is President-Elect or even proven a citizen. What is going to happen if this nightmare comes true? Obama is already lining up to reverse 200 executive orders according to Beowulf.

Here is the link from newsmax.com...

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_executive_orders/2008/11/08/149287.html

So let me say this, his arrogance just might have him thumb his nose at the courts and if so we will see who pushes whom. There is a reason he is not producing a BC.

jeleasure said...

Hi Sean,
I want to tell you I gave your blog item to "Christine of Talk Wisdom .
Since I gave her this article, and she named your self and myself in her article, I saw something odd on my Stat Counter.
One, I have a visit from the United States. Usually, I see my visitors local listed. So, I went to the visitors map via clicki on that visitor. It took me to approximately the location of Oaklahoma. Now, if I remember correctly, the FCC and FAA have Government offices their.
A few visits earlier. I note that I actually had a visit from Oaklahoma for 3 min 45 seconds. The exit link said something about comments. However, I know my visitors and I received no comments from anyone in Oaklahoma.
I'll send the data to you to look at.
Jim

Sam said...

Ok, maybe I'm reading it wrong (I don't speak legalise very well), but the link in the blog to the docket looks to me like Souter denied the application. It says,

"Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter. "

So, does that mean that they are not going to make Obama provide a birth certificate? I'm confused, because I'm reading some other websites and people claiming to be experts in the legal field are saying this story is bogus.

Sam said...

Ok, disregard my above comment. I found the info I was looking for and it seems as though this is still active.

Sorry for any confusion.

SeanOsborne said...

Good work Sam. I have only had to explain the fine points of this issue a couple of dozen times this morning.

Right click on the link I provided for "SCOTUS Docket No. 08-570" and you will see that it takes you directly to the Supreme Court website.

Anyone or website suggesting the webpage and data I linked from the SCOTUS website is bogus needs a serious reality check.

The blue text in the amended report is the fact of the matter.

Backstop said...

Sorry for the off-topic-ness.

army man - if you’re near Central Texas, some friends and I get together regularly to shoot and take classes. Paul Gomez - AK trainer extraordinaire - will be teaching us an AK class 22 Nov. A few of us enrolled in Paul Howe’s Tac Pistol class back in July, so we won't be there. Sean has my permission to give you my email address if you’re interested.

I want to second what army man said - as I’m also in Texas.

Gunshow/gunshop business is off the graph.

Prices for most everything gun related has increased.

Some items are out of stock - especially hi-cap pistol and rifle magazines.

I’ve had quite a few new-shooters ask me for advice and/or instruction.

I tend to shop where I’m treated fairly. Brownell’s is one such place - they offer a mil discount. I called them earlier; they are out of AR 30 round magazines. Magazines are flying off the shelves as folks are concerned some type of ban.

As far as rifle/shotgun ammo goes, Ammunitiontogo gets all my business. They’re in
Brenham, 77833. They had adequate supplies a few days ago, and they’re not price gouging.

Good luck to all.

commoncents said...

Keep us posted! I'm amazed the Berg lawsuit has gotten so little (or no) MSM attention!
Steve
COMMON CENTS
http://www.commoncts.blogspot.com

SeanOsborne said...

commoncents said:
"Keep us posted! I'm amazed the Berg lawsuit has gotten so little (or no) MSM attention!
Steve
"

No question about keping ya'll informed Steve, I will do exactly that -- and then some -- as info is received.

Joey Bagadonuts said...

Hiya boys,

I know it's been said here already but it is simply mind boggling that the MSM has been able to keep such a tight lid on this lawsuit. It's like we're living on the Bizarro planet.

Next thought...With all the international traveling that he's been doing...Obama MUST have a valid US passport, correct? The answer to that question would seem obvious. How could he get a US Passport without producing a valid birth certificate?
So, IF he has a valid US birth certificate...just produce the darn thing!

Next point...I'm 56 years old and, oh yeahhhh... I have a very vivid, personal recollection of the Newark riots of 1967. Anonymous was right Newark, Detroit, Watts, Harlem, Plainfield...they will all look like a picnic. Prepare to defend your life and property.

Final point...I see that the press is saying that Obama will be "ready to RULE" as soon as he's sworn in. Rule?? Who the heck is this guy...King George? In America we elect people to govern or to lead...we don't elect "rulers".

But maybe, the press is on to something...because "King Barack" is already announcing his intent to freely use Executive Orders for immediate impact when he starts his "rule".

Hang on to your hats.

***

Anonymous said...

Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship

By BEN EVANS – 6 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — A Republican congressman from Georgia said Monday he fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist or fascist dictatorship.

"It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he's the one who proposed this national security force," Rep. Paul Broun said of Obama in an interview Monday with The Associated Press. "I'm just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may — may not, I hope not — but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism."

Broun cited a July speech by Obama that has circulated on the Internet in which the then-Democratic presidential candidate called for a civilian force to take some of the national security burden off the military. [ As if our military can't cut the mustard... ]

Quoted with attribution under "fair use," read the full article here:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iRxZox4GFoIweckPDP1oRhKBlHOwD94CCDU00

Anonymous said...

As backstop said: "Sorry for the off-topic-ness" but these are extraordinary times.

Anonymous said...

"The decision must be made now. The moment of truth has arrived. There is no escaping it,..."

"The moment of truth has arrived," he repeated - Olmert: We must cede parts of Yerushalayim.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1225910083935&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Sound familiar?

"This is our time, this is our moment" "our time has come, our movement is real and change is coming to America" - barak hussein obama

Coincidence these two ideological soul mates say the same thing at the same time? I think not. Coincidence that time is heavily pressing on them both? Me thinks not.

"Why" is left to the reader.

Birth certificate off-topic-ness apologies.

SeanOsborne said...

Joey Bagadonuts said...
"Hiya boys..."

Hiya Joey. How you doin? It's good to see ya.

"With all the international traveling that he's been doing...Obama MUST have a valid US passport, correct?"

Not necessarily. What is required of first time U.S. Passport applicants is just one of the following forms of "Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship:

1.) Previously issued, undamaged U.S. Passport

2.) Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state*

3.) Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth

4.) Naturalization Certificate

5.) Certificate of Citizenship

*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

Then, of course there's the issue of "NOTE: If you do not have primary evidence of U.S. citizenship or your U.S. birth certificate does not meet the requirements, please see Secondary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship.

LOL. My point is, a U.S. birth certificate is easy to get around when applying for a US passport.

Besides, Obama was travelling internationally from a very early age - remember, he was taken to Indonesia by Lolo Soetoro at the tender young age of 6. This is the period of time when "Barry Soetoro" was an Indonesian citizen, as discussed in detail elsewhere in the NEIN Blog. When Obama departed Indonesia four years later in 1971, did he emigrate back to the U.S. on a U.S. or Indonesian passport?

"I see that the press is saying that Obama will be "ready to RULE" as soon as he's sworn in. Rule?? Who the heck is this guy...King George? In America we elect people to govern or to lead...we don't elect "rulers"."

Who is he? He's the ObamMessiah, Citizen of the World, the not yet President-elect of the United States, and as British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has stated a world leader "given world leaders a unique opportunity to create a truly global society and that the United States and Europe are key to forging a new world order."

Here we go again folks.

Obama is the poster child, the "annointed one" of the world socialist elite, he is their front man, which explains to my satisfaction why his rise to the top, so seemingly miraculous in so many way, has occured exactly in the manner it has occured.

As I've said before, this world socialist elite has taken their prize - the United States of America - and they did so by our on enfranchised hands. Never fired a shot.

I say we'll never get Lady Liberty, our National Sovereignty and Independence back from the tyranny of these godless heathens without a big-time fight - a fight no different than the 8-year war fought by our Founding Fathers from 1775 to 1783.

Deja vu of Ben Franklin saying "A republic if you can keep it."

SeanOsborne said...

Anonymous said...
"Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship"

Yup, that's how any Leftist or socialist regime digs its talons into and holds on to the prey it has seized and intends to consume completely.

There would be no other purpose for the UNCONSTITUTIONAL national security force Obama has repeatedly referenced. I detailed many specific facts about this a while back in this blog, but, restated very briefly it boils down to this:

Every member of the US Armed Forces swears or affirms an oath "to support and defend THE CONSTITUTION against all enemies foreign or domestic."

Obama's goonsquads will swear or affirm their oath to Obama and his regime.

SeanOsborne said...

Guys - I find nothing in the ongoing comments off-topic. Not at all.

The truly bedrock subject here is the U.S. CONSTITUTION and what it says.

Birth certificate issues are merely a manifestation of THE LAW.

SeanOsborne said...

By the way...

A GLORIOUS VETERANS DAY TO YOU ALL Hooah.

Backstop said...

And the same to you Sean.

Thank you for your continued service.

Sam said...

Sean and any other currently serving or veterans, thanks for your service!!!

Forgive the off topic nature of this post, but I can't remember where on this blog this information was originally posted by Sean.

Anyway, remember Lindsey Williams, the guy who wrote the "Energy Non-Crisis"?

Well, a friend of mine told me a while ago that he had been listening to LW on a radio broadcast back when oil was nearing $150 a barrel. Apparently LW said at that time that his sources said that oil would be going back down to $50 a barrel before the end of the year.

Look at oil today. Under $59 as I type this.

He's spot on again.

Sean, if you think this should be moved, I'd appreciate it if you could put it in the correct place. Thanks for all the work you've been doing keeping people informed!

ArmyMan said...

Afternoon Gentlemen and ladies.

Happy Veterans Day to all who are or have in the past served our country. Today, even more than before the oath we took "To support, protect and defend the Constitution for all enemy, FOREIGN or DOMESTIC" means so much in such a few words. Those with the courage to stand up and those who stand for others, I THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART AND SOUL. We have come a long way and have a long journey ahead but together as VETERANS we can succeed.

Now as for Obama, he is one we need to watch closely. But more so his wife. I was watching when they showed up at the White House to get the grand tour and I saw with my own eyes, Mrs OBAMA not even acknowledge The President. She shook and leaned in to hug Mrs. Bush but not even so much as a hand shake to President Bush. Now I was watching on Fox news but I SAW the contempt that Michelle just oozes with towards this country and the President himself. Truly sickening.

Also the more I think of OBAMA's Civilian Security Force, the more the thought of Hilters Youth groups come to mind.

And Backstop, email sent to Sean for you email, I am 30 minutes from Brenham and even drove through there this morning.

ArmyMan said...

Anon.

That link if up is already down but there was a related search I did on snopes this and it is interesting.

Obama's Citizenship

I also got your link to work like this.

Birth Certificate

ChristopherCO said...

Just wanted to say "thank you" to all who have served this country as a member of our fine military. I, my family and all who call this country home are in your debt... big time! I admire you and honor the sacrifices made in the name of liberty.

God bless you all.

jeleasure said...

Sean,
Maybe you, or one of these other gentlemen may answer this for me.
I have been surfing some of the information on the Surric Writ passed down to Obama. I came across This one. Please, someone tell me this blogger does not know what he is talking about! I am confused by one blogger! Does Obama have to produce the documents, or not?

SeanOsborne said...

All,

I am at wits end by this point. I have seen today in Email a lot of distressing information.

Now I read jeleasure's question and I remain at a loss for words.

So, for the best possible vetting of what is true and what is not regarding Obama's birth cert I always have to turn to Jeff Schreiber's America's Right.com website.

That's were I today found THIS item - which only serves to increase my level of discomfort to unprecedented heights.

While all of this is absolutely mindboggling one thing remains absolutely clear and an imperative for this Republic to survive...

The Constitution MUST BE UPHELD. Period.

I am waiting for the SCOTUS to do just that and to do it in an expedited manner.

SeanOsborne said...

Keep track of the SCOTUS issues at America'sRight.com and at the Natural Born Citizen Blog

Send an Email to Justice Clarence Thomas!

Firemanfred1 said...

armyman wanted to know what would happen if Obama is found out to not be natural born?

Here is the answer below:

If Obama is found to be Ineligible:

1. IF BEFORE the Electoral College meets, McCain’s electors from all states would be seated (since Obama would not have been qualified) and the vote would be 538-0 (Article II, Section I, Paragraph 3). This because Obama would not have been qualified in the first place. Biden would be VP since the 12th Amendment provides for the separate election of POTUS and the VP. Biden would be eligible and his electors would elect him. Therefore a McCain-Biden term.


2. IF AFTER the Electoral College meets and certifies him, but BEFORE inauguration, the 20th Amendment provides that, if before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, the President-Elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President-Elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified (McCain). The same scenario as in (2), above, would then likely apply.


3. IF AFTER the inauguration, the 25th Amendment would apply and Biden would be President and choose his VP (Senate confirmation). However, McCain might and would be able to sue-based on the DNC fraud and demand scenario provided in (2) above, be applied. Or barring that, a new election.


4. Obama must be forcibly removed from the office and placed behind bars, especially since he was well aware of his fraud when the questions arose back before the DNC primary considering all his attempts to prevent all this information coming out in the Federal Courts. He can face a litany of punishments from jail to death in the extreme case according to the US Constitution. Anything he may have done in office would be null and void, if anyone dies under his RULE as a usurper of the Presidency, then death awaits him. All those involved with his usurpation of the office will also be in BIG DOO DOO with him. Can you say Iron bar hotel…


5. Of Course, the SCOTUS can decide to avoid (1), (2) and (3), above and declare a fraudulent election and order a new election with verified candidates. This would implement Continuity Of Government Laws- allowing Bush to remain POTUS until after the election. They could also require no new laws to be passed. Whatever happens the DNC Party would not be trusted for generations to come for their knowing attempt to usurp the Presidency, and may as a party become disbanded.


Whatever the outcome, be prepared, we may be witness to an unprecedented event in our nations history. GOD bless America and pray for your country, it could be a bumpy ride…

SeanOsborne said...

Good info Firemanfred1, thanks for answering ArmyMan's question.

I have no doubt we are headed directly into unprecedented events in the history of mankind on this earth - not just for the USA, but for the whole world. I pray we can get through the next couple of months without bloodshed, but with the Kenyan example of last December I have very serious and significant doubts that things will occur peacefully and per the rule of Constitutional Law.

Backstop said...

Sean,

I can not agree enough with your post of November 14, 2008 6:18 AM.

I am truly concerned.

I am not advocating violence, nor am I saying Obama is or will advocate violence.

What I am saying is I firmly believe Obama has the ability to motivate folks into committing acts of violence.

I am very skeptical Obama will be found unfit to hold office.

But if he is, I think there will be violence, motivated by a variety of sources.

SeanOsborne said...

This might be an I&W (Indications and Warnings) of what may be coming down the pike in short order.

Remarks against Obama probed; Durham police conducting internal investigation; chief says it wasn't a slur

Excerpt:

""There's no exact words that were said," said Police Chief Jose L. Lopez Sr. in a telephone interview Wednesday from San Diego, where he is attending the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference. "It wasn't a racial slur, but we're still investigating it.""

Say what??? Derogatory free speech gets investigated by police against police?

"Houston: This is Non-Tranquility Base. The O-Thought Police have landed."

Anonymous said...

Yes, and he'll get a very nice MindWash for his ThoughtCrime(1) at The People's Institute of Peace and Re-education, camp #19 - after he loses his job.

(1) ThoughtCrime - In George Orwell's dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four the government attempts to control not only the speech and actions, but also the thoughts of its subjects, labeling disapproved thoughts with the term thoughtcrime or, in Newspeak, "crimethink".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime

Anonymous said...

WND Exclusive CHANGING OF THE GUARD

'Constitutional crisis' looming over Obama's birth location

Alan Keyes lawsuit warns America may see 'usurper' in Oval Office

Posted: November 14, 2008
8:40 pm Eastern


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80931

Anonymous said...

From a F.R. post:

Two cases already at the SCOTUS 08A407 and 08A391

17 cases from 12 states in the works.

Keyes seems to have the best “standing” so far.

posted on 11/14/2008 7:19:20 PM PST

SeanOsborne said...

As with many things posted to threads at FR the problem is the data is either old, incorrect or flat out wrong.

As we all know here at the NEIN Blog, the SCOTUS Application 08A391 was denied by Justice Souter on 03 NOV 08.

And as we also know 08A407 is the Application filed by Leo C. Donofrio which was also denied by Justice Souter on o6 NOV 08.

Neither of these items are "in the works."

New rule for the NEIN Blog - keep any and all FR posted information off of these pages. From this point forward any and all FR references will be deleted on sight. Thank You.

SeanOsborne said...

A good blog to bookmark and visit to keep pace with all legal issues is the CountUsOut blog via Devvy Kidd, News With Views.

In particular ya'll may wanto to check out this Unprecedented Rape of the American People Underway in DC thread.

And at the same site, All “Known” Lawsuits Regarding Obama Citizenship, Birth Certificate: Eligibility To Become U.S. President is worth keeping tabs on.

Anonymous said...

Here is another petition that I have found with over 108,000 signature so far. Looks like this will send letters to Congress.

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis/


Here is one for the Electoral Colledge. This has 576 signature.

http://www.rallycongress.com/the-peoples-voice/1404/electoral-college-electors-demand-congressional-investigation-obama-s-citizenship-status/

SeanOsborne said...

Anonymous,

I've made your links active ones.

Stop the Obama Constitutional Crisis

We the Electors of the Electoral College Demand a Congressional Investigation into Obama's Citizenship Status

riverChief said...

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Thomas Jefferson

Simonetta Vespucci said...

Hi Sean, I value your opinion. What do you think of this interview I have linked below?

Two disc jockeys from Detroit talked to the Kenyan ambassador

Questions about Kenyan birth begins at 12:25

http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916

SeanOsborne said...

Simonetta Vespucci said...
"I value your opinion. What do you think of this interview I have linked below?"

Simonetta,

First of all, allow me to say that I absolutely appreciate your vote of confidence regarding my opinion, not that it's worth all that much, but I truly do appreciate the sentiment of your comment. Very much so.

Secondly, and heads and shoulders above and more than the previous pleasantries and salutations, I want to thank you on behalf of ALL American citizens for the link to 101 FM, WRIF in Detriot, Michigan, the radio station which conducted an interview with KENYAN AMBASADOR TO THE UNITED STATES, HIS EXCELLENCY, PETER OGEGO who confirmed for us the "well known fact" that Barack Hussein Obama II was BORN IN KENYA.

OUT FREAKING STANDING.

This is VERY much appreciated.

I most certainly hope that Misters Berg, Donofrio and Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes have also been duly advised and briefed concerning this admission of the Kenyan Ambassador, and, oh, let me not forget their Honors, the Justices of the United States Supreme Court.

Thank you Simonettta, thank you very much indeed!

Simonetta Vespucci said...

I waited for your opinion. Down the comments thread is the voice of the real ambassador...I thought the voices matched.
I found reference to it today on another site..(can't recall which one..I will check that and let you know)

I really want to Thank You Sean, for all you do for our Country.

Sincerely,

SVespucci

SeanOsborne said...

Yes, Indeed, and I am also extremely sincere, and I thank you profusely for this; it is absolutely incredible!

Except for the first name of Simonetta, I would say... "You're the Man!" But with all due respect to the possibility that you could be a female... same right back at ya! Thanks!

SeanOsborne said...

Simonetta Vespucci said...
"Down the comments thread is the voice of the real ambassador...I thought the voices matched.

I found it... the comment from Stacy with this link:

Ambassador of Kenya His Exellency Peter Ogego

Yes, I also think the voice from the radio interview and Ambassador H.H. Ogego are a direct match. There is no doubt that the man being interviewed on the radio has detailed knowledge of the Republic of Kenya and there is no reason no to believe he is Ambassador Ogego.

Anonymous said...

Justice Thomas distributes Obama case for conference
By Linda Bentley | November 21, 2008

Foreign national certified as presidential candidate

WASHINGTON, D.C. – On Wednesday, Nov. 19, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas distributed Leo C. Denofrio’s renewed application for a stay of the election for conference on Dec. 5.

If four of the nine justices favor review, a hearing will be scheduled.

His first application was denied by Justice David Souter on Nov. 6. However, rules of the court allow for the renewed submission to a justice of choice.

[MORE]

http://www.sonorannews.com/archives/2008/081119/FrntPgJusticeThomas.html

Anonymous said...

Though President-Elect Obama's eligibility has long been confirmed, some remote yet viable fluke of discovery would likely now be handled in the same fashion as was the discovery that "w" was grossly inept.

Larry

SeanOsborne said...

Larry wrote:
"Though President-Elect Obama's eligibility has long been confirmed..."

On the contrary... Obama's eligibilty to the office of POTUS HAS NOT been "confirmed" pursuant to the U.S. Constitution.

Were Obama's Constitutional elibility to the office of POTUS confirmed the question of his eligibility would not be set for a SCOTUS conference on 05 DEC 08, just five working days prior to the casting of Electoral College votes.

SeanOsborne said...

In keeping with the subject title of this entry...

Please review again the concluding remarks in Joan Swirsky's most recent column:

"SCROUNGING FOR ANSWERS


I’ve written several books, not one of them fictional. And thousands of articles, not one of them based on sinister suspicions or conspiracy theories. But the case of the U.S. media’s complete non-coverage of this major story has gotten me to speculate on what – or who – may be behind this phenomenon. What force could be so powerful as to silence our country’s putative guardians of free speech – the titans of the Fourth Estate?


Perhaps the mystery goes back to 2004, when President Bush won his second term in office and in his first press conference in the White House said that he had "earned political capital and intended to spend it."


Then – suddenly and inexplicably – he went into a year-long hibernation. He rarely appeared in public and gave no major speeches. Finally he reemerged – albeit weakly – in late November or early December of 2005

Could it be that shortly after the president’s reelection, he and major government officials received highly credible evidence from America’s ruthless Islamist enemies that they had a number of devastating (probably nuclear suitcase) weapons – set up and ready to be activated in as many as six-to-10 of our major cities – unless he (the president) tacked left and played nice for the following two years?


Was America taken hostage?


The president, one could speculate, had only two choices: (1) play “chicken” and possibly sacrifice the lives of millions of Americans and the destruction of major American cities, or (2) opt for the lesser of two evils, the second being to pave the way for a dangerous Trojan Horse – qualified or not – to capture the White House.


Could it be that the media blackout of the most explosive story of any presidential election in American history has been choreographed by none other than the current POTUS – the most powerful man in the entire world? This would certainly explain why President Bush has not “been himself” since January 20, 2005. It would also explain why the all-powerful media have taken his marching orders – including the New York Times, which takes particular pleasure in undermining and sabotaging the president, even when it comes to national security issues.


If this happened, it would have had to involve the highest echelon in our intelligence services, who might have paid personal visits to publishers throughout the United States, as well as to top TV and radio executives, who themselves would have passed down iron-clad orders – to their anchors, broadcasters, even comedians – to follow the blackout order or face Draconian consequences.

On November 4 – Election Day – the Dow was above 9,000. It is now plummeting, suggesting that even the “globalists” among us prefer tax cuts and capitalism to tax hikes and not creeping but galloping socialism – or what the esteemed Dr. Jack Wheeler insists is fascism.


Buyers’ remorse is in the air. America has been hijacked. What a price we will pay if the Supreme Court and the Electoral College abandon their oaths to uphold the U.S. Constitution by capitulating – as the media have – to our enemies. God Save America!"

Let that sink in as deeply as possibly, and then go read Bob Unruh's article posted last night at WorldNetDaily

ArmyMan said...

From the Article above...

"The issue of Obama's citizenship has been in the news for weeks as multiple legal claims have asserted the Democrat is not a natural-born U.S. citizen. There have been claims he was born in Kenya, that he's a British subject because of his father and that he lost his citizenship in Indonesia."

I really must have missed it cause I think the news media are pretty silent about this Bob.

Also it is mentioned about if Obama does make it to office and it is proven he is ineligible so Impeachment proceedings would start. UM, Didn't we impeach Clinton and he said, "Ok I am impeached", then continue business as usual?

It is a good article and a lot of truth to it. But we all are a little shaky, or at least I am on the people and the job they NEED to do, The job of the Electoral College and the job of the SCOTUS.

God bless those who have a great decision to make, to stop the Socialism storm that Obama is bringing.

Backstop said...

Re: Joan Swirsky's most recent column.

For the record, my official, personal, and never wavering position is that I would never bargain with terrorists.

NEVER.

That article has me hopping mad. (the theme, not the author)

Christinewjc said...

Hi Sean,

I didn't have time to read through all of the comments here, so maybe you already know about the following article.

I thought that it was excellent and wanted to share it with you!

God bless!

Christine

Why the POTUS Needs to
Be a Natural-Born Citizen

SeanOsborne said...

Christine,

Thanks for posting that link to Frank Salvato's article.

He takes a well-reasoned and detailed approach to the core issue the Founding Fathers of the Republic had in mind for POTUS being a "natural born" citizen; far more detailed than the comments I made in one of these subject entries concerning what I learned during a vacation trip to Colonial Williamsburg, VA.

A good read for all who come here.

Christinewjc said...

Sean,

Don't sell yourself short! I certainly appreciated your hands-on account of the information you discovered while at Colonial Williamsburg, VA.

I have been wanting to send you an email in regards to Joan Swirsky's column - and what I believe she got right and what (IMHO) she got wrong in it.

Would it be better if I post it here?

I appreciated your brief comment in a past comment thread regarding "not sharing more" about possible explanations for what is currently going on in our nation. I will respect any decision you may make regarding whether or not you want to answer any of my questions/proposed theories/arguments regarding that subject.

Perhaps you could reply at a later date - when it's all over.

I plan to write the email sometime today. I know that you don't always reply to emails. If you decide to not reply - I will understand. I just wanted to share some thoughts with you and "put them on the record" - so to speak - before the Supreme Court event tomorrow.

Again, thanks for all that you are doing via your blog and website. I certainly appreciate being informed through them.

Sincerely,
Christine

P.S. My "word verification" spells "resten." Perhaps I need to "rest in the Lord" and not worry so much about this issue! Truthfully, it is hard not to worry...

SeanOsborne said...

Christine,

Joan Swirsky's articles, particularly the one you're referencing, are great work. I've cited them in these pages. And NEIN had has internal discussions about them. That's why I'm keeping a tight lid on my end about some of these issues. It will all come out in the wash, so to speak.

Go ahead and send me your thoughts to the email addy above. And it's not that I don't reply to all emails - it would be physically impossible for me to do so, I receive that many. But I'll look for yours inparticular.

Christinewjc said...

Sean -

I didn't get around to writing the email today and now I'm just too tired!

It's OK - probably better that I don't try and guess what's going on and what the outcome might be.

The news about the Donofrio case is leaking out. Unfortunately, so many of the reporters are getting the story incorrect!

Tomorrow is a big day for our nation, our people and our U.S. Constitution.

Praying a lot...

Mike said...

Hi Sean,

Please forgive me if you explained this previously, but what is the "rule of 4" that you referred to in regards to the 12/5 decision by the Supreme court?

Anonymous said...

This was posted to Atlas Shrugs.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

"Despite all efforts by big media, big blogs, Democrafascists, and Republican cowards, the folks just want to know.

Broe v Reed‏ (hat tip co2hog.com)

December 6, 2008

James Broe and 11 other Washington voters have filed in Washington’s Supreme Court to have the votes cast for Senator Obama set aside, because he failed to establish that he was even an American citizen running under his own name at the time of the election, let alone a “natural born citizen” as required by the U.S. Constitution.
......"

Rich Timm
Refusing to use gmail and sponsor censorship!

fooser77 said...

Who here has viewed Dr. Vieira's latest? Talk about a "popcorn moment." Here's a teaser:

"On some Monday not so far in the future, “President” Obama meets with the Joint Chiefs of Staff to announce that “Operation Sandblaster,” for a massive nuclear attack on Iran’s supposed “weapons of mass destruction," will be launched on the coming Friday. The Joint Chiefs remonstrate, pointing out that such aggression will trigger retaliation by Russia and China, almost surely plunging the whole world into a thermonuclear World War III. “President” Obama, however, is adamant, and instructs the Joint Chiefs to have the necessary orders for “Sandblaster”—or their resignations—on his desk by Wednesday morning. Knowing that, if they resign, “President” Obama will simply appoint some unprincipled uniformed “yes men” to carry out his plan, the Joint Chiefs immediately order covert break-ins around the country to obtain his original birth certificate and other material evidence relating to his ineligibility for the Office of President. With these documents in hand, on Wednesday morning, accompanied by a contingent of heavily armed Marines, the Joint Chiefs confront “President” Obama with the evidence, arrest him as an usurper and all the Members of Congress as his co-conspirators, and appoint themselves a Military Commission to function as a “caretaker government” during the ensuing “national emergency."

Not that I personally wish for this to come to pass. However, there is this "ghoulish curiosity" that I just can't resist within my fallen human soul...

SeanOsborne said...

I've been patiently waiting for this subject to emerge by quietly holding to an almost 90% certainty that it would become a relevant near-term issue.

Upon commissioning all military officers recite the United States Uniformed Services Oath of Office.

"I, (state your name), having been appointed a (rank) in the United States (branch of service), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foriegn and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the office upon which I am about to enter. So help me God."

The above is different than the "Oath of Enlistment in that it says nothing about following the orders of POTUS, the Commander-IN-Chief.

The "Oath of Enlistment" includes the following statement:

"...that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me..."

In this the chain-of-command and the UCMJ are the guiding legal authority, and lawful orders are the rule of military law.

ArmyMan said...

Sean,

I agree with you on the Armed Forces oath, AND as you stated here is the Oath I took, cause I looked it up in my documents....

"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."


Now here is where I would have to stand my ground. As it is saying About the Constitution first. What one does as an Enlisted personnel, Orders must be legal first in accordance with the Constitution, and then The President of the United States and the Officers under his control as set forth by the UCMJ. Now if the President is NOT legal to be President the The Constitution comes first. I just have to stand my ground like we all are that if he is NOT Legal to be President as set forth by the Constitution, then his orders are no more legal then that of a criminal.

I love my Country and the Oath I took and it is truly disappointing that the Supreme Courts took this route. So yes the Officers are one route but if them troopers read their Oath, the later must be appointed Legally as set forth buy the first, OUR US CONSTITUTION.

God Bless us and Help us in the time to come.

SeanOsborne said...

frank said...
"Don't give up re this issue just yet. Here is something from another site from some one who wishes to remain annonymous but obviously has some inside info."

Frank,

I have removed the information because it is unvetted from an unknown author from an unknown website. It's value therefore is suspect. It has no place in this thread. Provide vetting and confirmation of source and I'll consider making it a part of the record here.

SeanOsborne said...

Armyman,

I operate under the realm of rendering unto God what is His first and foremost. And then secondly rendering unto Caesar (the government) what is "his:.

In this respect the Constitution is always first. Always.

And even if a given sitting President is legal... the Constitution comes first.

The United States of America went through a very painful experience in order to establsih that NO PRESIDENT is above the Law (i.e. the Constitution). Neither is the Congress nor the Judiciary above the Law.

For the Armed Forces NOTHING has superiority over the Constitution for Officer or Enlisted alike, pursuant to the UCMJ and as defined by United States Code, which defines a "lawful order."

ArmyMan said...

Agreed, Sean. Even though the Oaths are worded different, they both follow the same. The Constitution is what is important.

frank said...

You mean unvetted like Obama? teehee

Here is one I can share.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83113

Not even the U.S. Supreme Court can kill the dispute that has developed over Sen. Barack Obama's eligibility to occupy the Oval Office based on questions raised over his birthplace and citizenship and his steadfast refusal to provide documentation on the issue.

The high court today denied a request to listen to arguments in a case, Donofrio v. Wells, from New Jersey that addressed the issues. But literally within minutes, the court's website confirmed that another conference is scheduled for Friday on another case raising the same worries.

The case of Leo C. Donofrio v. New Jersey Secretary of State Nina Mitchell Wells claimed Obama does not meet the Constitution's Article 2, Section 1 "natural-born citizen" requirement for president because of his dual citizenship at birth.

The new case, Cort Wrotnowski v. Susan Bysiewicz, Connecticut secretary of state, also makes a dual citizenship argument. It had been rejected by Justice Ruth Ginsburg Nov. 26 but then was resubmitted to Justice Antonin Scalia. There was no word of its fate for about 10 days, then today the court's website confirmed it has been distributed for Friday's conference, a meeting at which the justices consider whether to take cases.

Donofrio, whose case was rejected today, said he's hopeful Wrotnowski's complaint will find a more receptive panel.

"It includes a more solid brief and a less treacherous lower court procedural history," Donofrio writes on his Natural Born Citizen blog. "I must stress that [Wrotnowski] does not have the same procedural hang up that mine does."

The website explained an appeals judge in New Jersey had incorrectly characterized Donofrio's original complaint as a "motion for leave to appeal" rather than a "direct appeal."

"If Cort's application is also denied then the fat lady can sing," the website stated. "Until then, the same exact issue is before SCOTUS as was in my case. Cort's application before SCOTUS incorporates all of the arguments and law in mine, but we improved on the arguments in Cort's quite a bit as we had more time to prepare it."

Besides the plaintiffs for these two and about a dozen other legal actions that challenge Obama's eligibility in courts around the country, there are tens of thousands of people who are alarmed by the unanswered questions about Obama

SeanOsborne said...

frank said...
"You mean unvetted like Obama?"

Well, kinda sorta, but not exactly. We have no idea who made the comment you posted, nor any link with which to confirm it. With Obama it can be logically assumed he was born somewhere, and is a citizen of some country on the face of this earth.

It tenuously remains within SCOTUS purview via the Cort Wrotnowski v. Susan Bysiewicz committee hearing on Friday to see if indeed that fat lady will pipe up, and thereafter, in all probability, that an usurper will be sworn in as POTUS.

SeanOsborne said...

Here's a great article from Randall Hoven at AmericanThinker.Com

Christinewjc said...

Sean,

I am wondering whether or not this Blagojevich scandal and arrest could be the start of a much larger sting operation? What are you thoughts on this?

The blogs are exploding with connection information about Obama, Blago, Rezko, etc.

I was surprised that Blago's bail was so low. Could it be for the purpose of tracking his additional movements to see how far down the rabbit hole (and who is involved) goes?

I also heard that possible senate seat candidate #5 is Jesse Jackson Jr.!

One commenter at my blog is suggesting that this may ultimately be the downfall of Obama's bid for the presidency - more damaging than the "natural born citizen" cases. Perhaps he is right!

I just can't imagine that Obama could get through this latest scandal unscathed.

Back when I originally wanted to write to you via email in order to share some speculation (on my part) about a possible "sting" scenario involving Obama, I was wondering if Obama could have been on the "good guy" side of the law, helping to catch the perpetrators. When Obama was meeting with Bush for Intelligence briefings, I was extremely worried that he could have gotten information that could have hurt our nation. However, I have noticed that Obama isn't meeting with Bush anymore.

Since Obama was so surprised by Blago's arrest, I now presume that he just might end up being one of the "big fish" destined to be caught in this latest Chicago incident of corruption.

SeanOsborne said...

Christinewjc said...
"I am wondering whether or not this Blagojevich scandal and arrest could be the start of a much larger sting operation? What are you thoughts on this?"

My thoughts? Well, I think Blagogate is just the tip of an iceberg of traditional Chicago political corruption that is now extending its reach into the Oval Office. On January 20 not only will the Blagogate scandal stink the place up, but so will the Rezko stench (verdict coming up shortly). And Obama has deep ties to both - as we all know or should know by now.

Considering how corrupt Cook County-Chicago politics has been for so very, very many years -(remember Dan Rostenkowsky anybody?)- I don't believe there is ANY WAY that Barack Obama could have achieved his meteoric rise in that environment without becoming embroiled neck deep in it. That's just the nature of the Chicago mob, er, um... I mean, political elite.

I'm not putting up a NEIN entry on any of this - these are federal law enforcement issues, and besides, it will all come out in the wash eventually. I'm just gonna sit back until the final rinse cycle completes and watch all the particulars get tossed into the high-heat dryer.

Sam said...

I read this today. Sounds like Friday SCOTUS is going to consider another case against Obama's citizenship.

Here is the article: http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/10/justices-to-mull-obama-citizenship-again/

frank said...

for a really good update on these cases go to citizen wells

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/

Monday should be watched.

scroll down to Dec 12

“[UPDATE]: 11:26 AM - Dec. 12 2008 : Rumors of a decision denying Cort’s application are unequivocally false. A SCOTUS Spokesperson just told Cort Wrotnowski there has been no decision. She indicated there will be no decision until Monday. The conference is sealed, no clerks are allowed in.]”

read the stuff below it, very interesting.

SeanOsborne said...

frank,

I read CW on a fairly regular basis - mostly to see if there's something that I may have missed elsewhere. What I come away with from the link you sent is that many are missing a key element in the timeline of what events are likely occur.


1.) SCOTUS Docket 08A469 Wrotnowski v. Bysiewkz application will have a decision by Monday, 15 DEC. Granting is 50/50 at best. (While I truly "hope" that cert will be granted, the realist side of me also strongly suspects it will be denied. I think the "fix" is in for the Obamination.)

2.) The Electoral College will be casting their ballots on Monday 15 DEC as well. However, those EC ballots will not be tallied up until the afternoon of 06 JAN 09 - which is when the offical designation of President-elect will apply - most likely to the Obamination.

Immediately after this point in time is when the battle for the Constitution and the Republic will be joined.

frank said...

getting a lot closer to the last scenario, barring a dramatic turn of events in the current Ill. Gov. situation.

Wrotnowski V Bysiewicz, US Supreme Court, December 15, 2008, Justices decide Cort Wrotnowski versus Connecticut Secretary of State Bysiewicz, Writ of Mandamus, Obama not eligible, Stay denied

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/

SeanOsborne said...

This comment has been moved here to the correct subject entry. -Sean


jeleasure said...
Censor, censor. Yet, another piece of the Constitution ready for leveling.
(Ref: The Google Report)
I recall hearing Don Wildman report on this possibility over this past summer. Sure enough, here it is.

ArmyMan said...

Well, at least, I know the very least but on the list anyways, Texas Electoral College voted for McCain. As posted here on 590 KLBJ......

Senator McCain Wins Texas Electoral College Vote
Newsroom
12/16/2008

You may have thought you were voting for President in November but actually you were voting for electors. The candidate that wins the state gets all of them; meaning in Texas Senator John McCain won all 34 electoral votes cast in the Texas House Chamber. From here those votes are sent to the US Senate which will count them right after the first of the year. The Electoral College also votes separately for the Vice President and as expected Alaska Governor Sarah Palin won all of those here in Texas.

http://www.590klbj.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=1046949

So not sure of the others but at the very least Texas voted right.

SeanOsborne said...

It is finished. The SCOTOS denied all legal challenges, and the Electoral College balloting yesterday occured despite legal challenges in many states. It is no obvious that the lawsuit filed on behalf of Alan Keyes also amounted to nothing - California electors awarded all 55 ballots to Obama. Yes, it is finished. As predicted.

4 weeks from now those ballots go to Congress and become official, and Barack Hussein Obama officially becomes the President-elect. Two weeks later he is inaugurated.

We now will have as President another man who is as much (or more) of a Christ-denier then George W. Bush was.

ArmyMan said...

Yes Sean you are right again, and now it is time. time for those of us who are Christians to dig in, set up our defensive positions and weather out the STORM that is coming and keep our Faith intact because what is coming will want to change us, mold us to their liking or flat out destroy us. NOT ME boys and girls...NOT ME. I AM CHRISTIAN and I AM AMERICAN and I BELIEVE IN THE US CONSTITUTION even if there is people who want to take it away from us.

frank said...

Please read this. You can not rule this out until Jan 8th comes up. THis is a very good article.

SonOf1776
I find the theory that a higher entity (Bush? Hillary? RNC? GOD?) is overseeing this and will burst The Ones bubble at the most opportune time to be quite believable. But how credible is it? Well, when enough seemingly independent things all line up and point the same direction, the logical conclusion is hard to ignore. Here is my evidence to date.

First I find it believable that SCOTUS cannot act until after Jan 8. But that is dangerously close to Jan 20. The wheels of justice typically spin slowly and 12 days is nothing. Once this guy takes office and controls Congress, the Military, the DOJ, homeland security and the FBI, who could stop him. He would just ignore SCOTUS and thumb his nose like he does to everyone else. Still, consider that SCOTUS was meant by the founding fathers as a check and balance on the other two branches. Bush is still president. The One cannot legally be considered president until Jan 8 and officially not until Jan 20.

Second, I find it believable that Bush ordered the army brigade to be close to DC to handle possible rioting if The One was somehow booted. But the article on that was dated in September and I cannot imagine that even Bush had any plan at that point. In fact Bush seems so braindead now I cannot imagine he has any plan. Still, I think that of all people, he would be the one most likely to know all the facts, including what the BC really says. He has the power, at least at the moment. If the DNC can get into all of Joe the plumbers records, imagine what Bush can get into.

Third, by Jan 8 most if not all of the significant lawsuits will have landed at SCOTUS. If these are truly only being denied the stays, but still pending, it is believable they (SCOTUS) are collecting them all for a grand finale. But I have seen no official word that the first three (including Berg) are even still pending. Does “stay denied” mean just that or more? No one has stepped forward to explain any of this except our peers in the blogosphere who are just guessing too. Still I find this believable as just to get any case into committee at SCOTUS with all nine justices has to say something.

Fourth, the timing of the Blagojevich scandal is too perfect. I find it believable that Fitzgerald had Blagojevich cold but was having trouble connecting the other dots. So he decided to shake things up and see what additional action he could get. But The One plays this game well. It is maybe the only thing he does well. Cover and run. It would be a dangerous move by Fitzgerald to just roll the dice. Seems more believable that either all we get is Blagojevich or else we get it all but not till after Christmas and Fitz was just rolling on Blogojevich to save the senate seat.

Fifth is the almost unbelievable turn-coat techniques being practiced by the conservative media such as Rush, Hannity and the rest. When Hannity starts practicing “conservatism in exile” and the allmighty Rush tucks his tail and cowers it is just too strange. Are they afraid of repercussions? It is believable that because they actually control a sizeable army of “real” investigative journalists they have been told to back off or they might spill the apple cart. Loose lips sink ships and all that.

Sixth is the silence and submission of Hillary that went just too easy. The Clintons are (were?) very powerful and play dirty politics with the best. I think we all expected her to pull off a coup-de-etat at some point. It is quite believable that this is still in the wings. It is pretty difficult to think Hillary is now so desparate she would accept a cabinet position from The One and give up a Senate seat. And why hasn’t she resigned that? Hillary is a smart cookie and plays for keeps. It is quite believable she plans to win the end game somehow.

Seventh, it is not believable that a Republican governor would side to conspire with The One. I’m talking about Linda Lingle here. But did she conspire? While she (and other government officials) did seal the records, she also made sure that Hawaii did not come right out and say Obama is a natural born citizen, or even a citizen. Only that his posted BC is legit and they have the original in thier records. So, if there is a higher grand scheme, she would appear to be playing along.

Eighth, and never mentioned anywhere that I know of is why is Ted Kennedy silent. Can anyone imagine him letting someone like The One become the Only One? John and Robert would roll over in thier graves. So what about this? Ted wants Caroline in the senate. Hillary wants to be president. Neither wants The One in DC. So, on Jan 8 Ted makes the motion of ineligibility and calls in all his chips (and he must have some big chips!). He forces a vote for Hillary to be president and all becomes right again in left land. Wild, yes, but believable? In light of everything else that has happened in the last few months, why not?

There is probably more evidence. I welcome anyone else to present it, pro or con.

My conclusion is that it is very believable that all or most of this is too coincidental to be just a buch of unrelated events. My logic (I design computers and rely on that when all else fails) says Two, three or even four of these might be just that, a buch of unrelated events. But, eight events, all pointing to a higher orchestrated plan seems pretty convincing.

Still it makes me nervous to think that The One might be able to take office before the main part of this can unfold or that there might not even be a main part.

And what if there are multiple “grand plans” by opposing forces (D vs R) to oust The One and assume control. Okay that’s too scary. It would mean all out war in Congress on Jan 8. I guess I’ll buy some extra water and food and firewood just in case.

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/a-case-of-the-scrubs-covering-up-is-never-a-good-idea/#comments
Jan 15 11:22

Christinewjc said...

Over at Citizen Wells blog, I found a comment that mentions the Congress Jan. 8th meeting, too:

Bob // December 15, 2008 at 11:41 am

SCOTUS has allowed the election from the people’s participation to the official election without comment, or prejudice.

What this means is that all commentary concerning the meaning of ‘natural born Citizen’ prior to December 15, 2008, is acceptable as written to this Supreme Court. Nothing has changed at all on that front.

The specific time for SCOTUS to participate in the official election process is after January 8 at Midnight, when the world know what Congress has done, and any lawsuits will have to come from a member of Congress.

So, it’s time to focus on CONGRESS. They will count the votes of the Electoral College. Dick Cheney will chair (he’s President of the Senate).

Congress must be convinced that the following must be done:

1. They cannot count the votes for someone who is a “dual or multiple citizen” under their own law as codified by the Code of Federal Regulations by the Department of State, under FAM 7 (Consular Services). — Remember: Barack Obama, Sr. was in this country on a temporary student visa issued by the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi, so he was under the supervision of the British embassy in Washington, D.C. . I don’t think anyone in Congress is aware of this fact, but it’s accurate history.

In other words, he had no intention of taking up permanent U.S. residency or apply for naturalized citizen, EVER!

2. They cannot vote for a first generation Commander-in-Chief, based on the debate in the 1787 Constitutional Convention, which records are preserved under the supervision of Congress in the Library of Congress.


Next, someone named "commenter NBC' challenged this view:

The argumen[t] that SCOTUS could not act now, is therefore, unworthy of merit.


But commenter Bob came back with:


Bob // December 15, 2008 at 1:06 pm

In my experience, when a court is not specific (which they must be when they render a decision), and simply leave the status quo (which is what happened here), the benefits are often greater than you might imagine.

Leo’s case and Cort’s case and Orly’s case were basically orders to the SOS of NJ and CT and CA to do their job. They didn’t, so the Electors today are voting on two bogus candidates. However, in the future, no SOS in any state is likely to get a pass on this, so the dog has had his bite — but no seconds. So, really, this is a win for good government.


To sum up, perhaps SCOTUS has given the task to make sure Obama is eligible to Congress. I also read that a Congressman or Senator (just one!) could hold up the election process if they object to Obama's ineligibility (or even just his lack of papers to show whether or not he is eligible).

I find it quite curious that the Obama family is heading back to Hawaii....

hmmmm....

Could a fake document (like a vault-length COLB) be in the works over there??

Yes. Just speculation on my part.

Then, I also read this comment thread recently:

nobama2 wrote:

Janet it occurred to me that Hawaii is a good jumping off point for Jakarta or Nairobi.
—————————

OMG so funny you should write that! I had been tinkering with the idea that he MAY NOT RETURN! That he would take off from there but head in the opposite direction of the USA!

on December 15, 2008 at 2:35 am Janet
Just keep in mind that GW Bush did not bring home 20,000 troops for the purpose of taking care of “civil disobedience” because he thought nothing big was about to happen.

This is a really big thing and needs to be handled very very carefully, slowly, methodically. Keep in mind that the Supremes only denied the stays, they never said that there was no cause for a hearing regarding citizenship qualifications — that part of the 2 lawsuits is still pending. Pending? Doesn’t that mean “waiting”? Waiting for what? THAT is what we have to be patient about.

Since most of the country does not understand the Constitutional requirements and Obama’s lack thereof (even the electors!), Patrick Fitzgerald is coming in from another direction as well.

Think of it as someone with many diseases. It’s only a matter of time before ONE of them gets him.

SeanOsborne said...

Perhaps one senator would gum up the counting of electoral votes on Jan 8th, but I tend to doubt that will happen.

THe world socialist fix is in, and unless there is a revolt -and I mean a REAL revolt against this usurper being elected - then it is finished.

I'll have a new entry coming up this morning that may blow your socks off.

The text of this report almost certainly occurs during an Obama Administration, and it talks about just such a "strategic shock" as armed rebellion in the United States. Nuclear armed rebellion even.

And this is not idle chatter or wild-eyed conspiracy nonsense either. This report comes from a retired Army LTC and the United States Army War College's Strategic Institute, with appropriate disclaimers, of course.

standby...

frank said...

Don't want to beat a dead horse but please don't give up hope, the train doen't hit untill Jan 20..

After yesterday’s denial of the stay (not the cert) in the Wrotnowski case and the media reporting that all Electors met yesterday and completed the “formality” of electing BHO, the meltdown and pity party Donofrio is having on his website, I was spurred to go back and re-read the 12th Amendment. It lays out the process for the Electoral College vote and the subsequent vote in Congress on January 8th for POTUS and VPOTUS.

I am convinced that SCOTUS can’t and won’t intervene in this matter until after January 8th.

The Electors voted by separate ballots (probably secret) for President and Vice President. Once all votes are cast, the ballots must be SEALED and forwarded to the President of the Senate, Dick Cheney on January 8th at which time the votes are counted and a call for objections takes place. Unless Zogby or Rasmussen were doing exit polling outside each state capital, noone knows how the Electors voted. Additionally noone knows how many Congressman will object. IMHO, THIS PROCESS MUST TAKE PLACE ACCORDING TO THE CONSTITUTION BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT CAN INTERVENE.

Obama would not be constitutionally recognized as President-Elect until the votes are counted on January 8th. That is, if he gets 270 or more electoral votes.

IMO, the Supreme Court, by denying stays but pending all the cases for cert. WITHOUT COMMENT are setting this up for showdown after January 8th. At that time, they can hear any and all cases and settle this fiasco. They have the power to stay the inauguration, if necessary, to get to the bottom of this. My guess is that one or more of the petitioners will have to file an injunction to stay the inauguration on January 8th to restart this process.

And hopefully Donofrio will be through with his pity party, stop crying in his beer, get his head out of his a$$ and be ready along with the other half dozen cases that will be in front of the SCOTUS at that time!

SeanOsborne said...

Frank,

You're not beating on any deceased equus caballus - in my travels around the I have seen quite a few individuals saying the same thing about SCOTUS staying out of the political fray until the January 8 counting in Congress of the EC ballots.

I certianly hope they know what they're talking about when it comes to such important Constitutional issues. But still, to avoid having my held out hopes dashed at the last minute, I do give pause to allowing myself any glimmer of respite to what appears to be an imminent crisis of unprecedented scope. A crisis which will manifest itself in a time when logic, reason and truth all seem to have had their throats slit, burned and hung from a bridge in Falluja.

Due to my faith, I know in what season we are living, what generation I am a member of, and that accordingly to His Word the "birth pangs" will increase in frequency and severity.

Egy Azziera said...

First off we would like to congratulate you on your fine public speaking skills. It looks like those who said the Obama Administration would strike while the iron is hot may have been correct, and the Administration may be doing it in a way that does not require them to even get a vote in Congress.

"Text to speech" said...

This is why I feel we need to go back to the government being Volunteers to serve and they were just plain people whom did for the neighbor and the friends instead of these paid people who are required to go to crook school