UPDATE 12 December 2007: The Christian hero seen in the image above is Jeanne Assam, the former Minneapolis police officer who took down the New Life and YWAM killer.
RightPundits.com has the details.
From the NEIN mainpage report this morning. The murders appear to be related, possibly involving the same gunman in both locations. It is believed that law enforcement are searching the home of the killer in Englewood, Colorado.
It is my personal assessment that the cold-blooded murders which have occured in Colorado at the Youth With A Mission (YWAM) missionary training center (i.e.: religious facility) in Arvada, and the New Life Church (a 10,000 member mega-church place of worship) in Colorado Springs are religiously motivated hate crimes.
UPDATE: 11 December 2007: This is the only aspect of the assessment made yesterday which appears to be correct based upon an internet posting made by the killer:
The YWAM clearly understood the inherent danger of such an evangelizing mission; knowing full well that this mission clearly and most immediately would draw the fervent resistance of any adherent of Islam, even to the point of murdering in cold-blood those who would preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to Muslims in Muslim lands and throughout the world. The YWAM has been for the past 15 years focused on converting Muslims to Christianity. This may go a long way in explaining why armed security guards are employed on the church campus grounds.
The final assessment is that Islam has not retaliated in this instance. A very disturbed, perhaps even demonically possessed, former missionary candidate of YWAM attacked his former church in a premeditated act of revenge that defies ones senses to comprehend.
It is my personal assessment that the cold-blooded murders which have occured in Colorado at the Youth With A Mission (YWAM) missionary training center (i.e.: religious facility) in Arvada, and the New Life Church (a 10,000 member mega-church place of worship) in Colorado Springs are religiously motivated hate crimes.
UPDATE: 11 December 2007: This is the only aspect of the assessment made yesterday which appears to be correct based upon an internet posting made by the killer:
"I'm coming for EVERYONE soon and I WILL be armed to the @#%$ teeth and I WILL shoot to kill. ...God, I can't wait till I can kill you people. Feel no remorse, no sense of shame, I don't care if I live or die in the shoot-out. All I want to do is kill and injure as many of you ... as I can especially Christians who are to blame for most of the problems in the world."
My assessment is based upon multiple media reports that the killer wore a Muslim skull cap.
It remains unknown why the skull cap was worn. Sppeculation might be that the killer wore it as an additional physcial taunt against his targets in light of their primary mission to evangelize Muslims the world oer.
Another very strong indicator I find to be linked to the religious motivation is that according to the Youth With a Mission website their missionary ministry became focused upon the Muslim world in 1991 as an overlooked - or viewed with "only one eye" area of missionary evangelism. In April 1992 with the initiation of the YWAM's Red Sea Covenant their primary God-directed missions was declared in part to be:
- "Embrace the vast Muslim world in our hearts, seeking from God the anointing, wisdom, power, and strategies needed to carry our part of His great plan of redemption for those under the influence of Islam"
- Believe God for the establishment of His kingdom throughout the world of peoples under the influence of Islam, and be more impressed with God than the difficulties involved.
The YWAM clearly understood the inherent danger of such an evangelizing mission; knowing full well that this mission clearly and most immediately would draw the fervent resistance of any adherent of Islam, even to the point of murdering in cold-blood those who would preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to Muslims in Muslim lands and throughout the world. The YWAM has been for the past 15 years focused on converting Muslims to Christianity. This may go a long way in explaining why armed security guards are employed on the church campus grounds.
The final assessment is that Islam has not retaliated in this instance. A very disturbed, perhaps even demonically possessed, former missionary candidate of YWAM attacked his former church in a premeditated act of revenge that defies ones senses to comprehend.
25 comments:
Sean,
When I read and heard this, the first thing in my thoughts were, it has started and we need to defend ourselves. That was the reason for the email to you. The Muslims who wanted to kill 7 million Christians has started. I hope I am wrong and does not gets white washed under the rest of the Hollywood news.
I know Western People and Christians are targets of death and hate. And we all know the EU are targets and LOOSING.
Just keep us posted my friend.
I have not been following this as closely as I should and had not heard about the muslin skull cap. This puts an entirely different slant on both incidents. You article is excellent. It is a real shame when Christians ( or Jews, or any other religion ) devote themselves to trying to help Muslims ... only to be slaughtered for their good motives.
Debbie
Right Truth
http://www.righttruth.typepad.com
I would be interested in having links to the news sites that stated the shooter was wearing a Muslim skull cap.
Debbie
Right Truth
http://www.righttruth.typepad.com
email debbieh@tds.net
Armyman, that was my first thought too.
Second thought was "gee, they're doing it again--they'll quash the "skullcap" part of the story." And they did. No surprise there.
Third thought was my usual, "They'll not mention he's muslim because there will be civil war."
Perhaps not this time, but it will happen, and that's why they don't tell us much.
Allow me to help you Miss Debbie...
Before they nerf these stories to.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2007/12/skull-cap-gunme.html
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Dec10/0,4670,ChurchShootings,00.html
http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2007/12/10/834284.html&cookieattempt=1
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/12/colo-church-it.html
Hope this helps.
Ken, I hear ya on the second thought. Now out of the seven places I knew of reporting the attire of the shooter, I could only find the 4 listed above. They (MSM) might have had more stories that pushed them. But you know the routine of it, make a quick report then look to see which Hollywierd actor did something stupid like no underwear or something like that and report the heck out of that.
Either way we got the first part right and we all still need to be Alert and on our toes with our lives and surroundings. We are doing our part by talking about it and Sean of course is doing his part by getting to the truth of the matters and then telling as many people as he can by The NEIN Blog.
And Debbie Welcome to the community ma'am.
While the investigatory angle I pursued was correct and verifiable, it turns out that I made a patially incorrect assessment. The error in that assessment has been revised in my NEINblog entry above to acknowledge the internet posting of the killer.
I am assessing at this point that the killer - I cannot even force myelf to say or write his real name - wore the skull cap intentionally as a final, visual taunt directed at his victims.
This killer was expelled from YWAM, He had to have known all about YWAMs "Red Sea Covenant" mission and it's inherent dangers. The Islamic aspect was in my opinion a large part of the killers premeditation process.
Ultimately I will believe that the killer rejected Jesus Christ and succumbed to a demonic influence.
There is no doubt that all the media included the eye-witness account of a "skull cap", as to what type, this has not been followed up on. We may never know, but I think it deserves follow-up.
Thanks for the reply.
As you may have seen, comments have been varied at Right Truth
Debbie Hamilton
Right Truth
Debbie,
Thanks. I also want to acknowledge that I think your "Right Truth" blog is most excellent.
The influence upon this killer that I noted in my most recent comment happens to be, by his own admission under the internet alias " nghtmrchld26", so-called rock musician "Marilyn Manson."
To quote this killer in one of his posts:
"I have found myself in deep trances and other worlds through the usage of this drug and have found my life radically altered and changed and by it. I found this drug to be a powerful driving force and easy gateway into a world of sex, other drugs, rebellion, homosexuality, alcoholism and many other dark things. I have found such an incredible power in this drug that will completely carry one's mind away into a very real spiritual realm. My mind is completely controlled by this drug and there is no way at all for me to break free.
What is this mind altering life changing drug that has such an incredible power? Well, one of the main persons who has helped make this drug a powerful force in my life has been Marilyn Manson…….
The drug that I use and am addicted to is commonly known in our culture as… Rock Music.
I sold my soul to rock and roll mind control......"
Here's the link to the forum where the above comes from:
http://p223.ezboard.com/Drowning-in-despair/fexpentecostalforumsfrm7.showMessage?topicID=1828.topic
I will also note that many of the other of this killers posts are being deleted by the forums he posted to as well as from Google cashe.
Your comment that we may never know
is becoming more evident as evidences are delted. This one above is one we have saved.
SeanOsborne said...
"Ultimately I will believe that the killer rejected Jesus Christ and succumbed to a demonic influence."
I have had a theory, one that's unverifiable this side of Heaven, which links murderous behavior, suicide and demonic possession. I believe that the Bible lends some support to this type of demonic activity. See Mark 9:22
If you look at some of the most famous murder rampage incidents (e.g. Jonestown Massacre, Columbine, Virginia Tech Massacre, the Amish School shooting, many more) you'll note that the murderer(s) ended up killing themselves at what seemed to be untimely or awkward points in the scenario. See the excerpted article below…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071211/ap_on_re_us/church_shootings
"Police: Church gunman killed himself
The man who killed four people at a church and missionary training center died of a self-inflicted shotgun wound, police said Tuesday.
Matthew Murray, 24, was struck multiple times by a security officer at New Life Church Sunday but died after firing a single shot at himself, the El Paso County Coroner's Office concluded after an autopsy.
Volunteer security guard Jeanne Assam shot Murray after he entered the church. Investigators had earlier suggested his death could have been a suicide, but credited Assam's bravery with averting a greater tragedy.
Assam, a 42-year-old former Minneapolis police officer, said her faith allowed her to remain steady under pressure.
"It seemed like it was me, the gunman and God," she said, her hands trembling as she recounted the shooting during a news conference."
Also, given what Murray was apparently into, he opened himself up to extreme oppression and perhaps possession.
If people only knew what they were messing with.
I agree, Sean, he rejected Jesus Christ Entirely, even with his very last act on earth. He used his last and final act on earth, to commit the only sin which is unforgivable: he took his own life.
He used the death's of others, his own sins, and his own demise to reject in the strongest possible terms anything related to christianity, ESPECIALLY the salvation of the Lord.
He is probably just about now realizing the magnitude and error of his ways. I'm sure he's suffering in hell, and sadly, its the Fate he has Earned.
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ChristopherCO said...
Also, given what Murray was apparently into, he opened himself up to extreme oppression and perhaps possession.
If people only knew what they were messing with.
That's it in a nutshell.
The secular world has no clue whatsoever what this is all about. The secular world is completely, totally blind (at least for the time being - when they are unblinded they won't be secular anymore!) to these things.
The secular world will curse one and impugn one ad infinitum for attempting to raise their consciousness to the appropriate spiritual level, but it's the believers burden to just deal with this and move on regardless.
I cannot bring myself to speak or place into print this demonic individuals name. I refuse to. He is just "the Killer."
Sean,
This is a first time visit to your blog, and I've enjoyed reading. Will be back.
As for these killings, I believe we'll be seeing more and more attacks against Christians, and think that the media will eventually become sympathetic to the killers, not the victims - after all, we Christians are the real "haters", right?
I disagree with one comment that was made here...suicide is not the unforgiveable sin. Christ's death paid for every sin ever committed - past, present and future. The killer's unforgiveable sin was final rejection of Jesus Christ. That is what sent him to hell.
Revelation 22:20
BTW,
Please visit me sometime. I'd love to get your input. We seem to be like-minded.
Thinking Out Loud
Ms. Green, Welcome to the board. Yes Sean has done a great job on supplementing NEIN website with a place where we can converse and input. Although I clicked on your site link and it showed error. not sure which link you were after but I will try again. just bringing it to your attention.
Debbie, yes your site is another wonderful place to converse.
Sean,
I am not so sure that you were wrong in your evaluation about the killer. If he wore the skull cap to make a statement then he was influenced by Islam. He definatly used some of their tactics to kill the innocent which means to me whether he was a claimed Muslim/Islam or a Moderate who just kept quiet about the Islamic radicals, it still influenced what and how he did the killings. Yes it may have been as simple as a demonic act against Christians but isn't that what Islam is doing to us also? I read his blog and he was looking for a way to make a statement and I would investigate every one of the people who claimed they could relate to him and understood him. And see just what they have planned for Christians as well.
Ms. Green I believe you were wanting people to go to....
http://www.noblather.blogspot.com/
correct?
Thanks for the link correction, Armyman. I used a ":" instead of a "=". Here's the right one:
Thinking Out Loud
Ms. Green,
Thanks for joining in. I took a quick look at your blog. Very impressive at first glance. I'll take a longer look later today and add my comments where appropriate.
I agree with you, the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy. This sin detailed in Matthew 12:22-32, Mark 3:22-30 and Luke 12:10. This New Life/YWAM killer died having rejected Yeshua Mashiach Adonai (Jesus Messiah the Lord). He became Satan's child. I'm not sure if I want to see where he blasphemied the Holy Spirit.
My prayers are with the families and the entire congregation of New life/YWAM.
Armyman,
Yes, demonic influences are demonic influences. In this respect the assessment I made about this killer is very probably correct. These murders are, specifically, an issue with Christianity and antichrist religious issues at the core. Anyone who denies Christ is antichrist (1 John 4:3).
Anyone who has ever been involved in a shooting (ex: Security, Law Enforcement, Bail Enforcement) you experience the shooting in your mind for a long time. She seems to be doing well but you can tell, she is still rattled by it. That being said, I am glad she was there and was able to stop the cycle of killing that was happening. Good job, Jeanne Assam.
I was listening to Rush Limbaugh yesterday on the way home and he was talking about Jeanne Assam.
From what I gathered, her statement was that her stopping this messenger of evil was a mission from God and her hands were rock steady during the incident and at no time did she think about running away. She said she prayed to the Holy Spirit and did God's work that he gave her.
The only thing MSM kept saying was that she had been fired from the Minneapolis PD for lying. Whicj the supposed lie was to internal affairs for her allegedly using profanity on a Minneapolis public bus while trying to quell a situation.
Throw in the murder of the young woman in Tronto by her Father and brother and it's just another example of the brutality and evil that calls itself a religion of "peace". What a bunch of BS.
the Great War will soon be upon us.
Rich Timm said...
"The only thing MSM kept saying was that she had been fired from the Minneapolis PD for lying. Which the supposed lie was to internal affairs for her allegedly using profanity on a Minneapolis public bus while trying to quell a situation."
I think it's very possible yours truly can call out the MSM on this point. If its a bald-faced lie I'll let you know in a comment to come.
Hiya friends,
'The only thing MSM kept saying was that she had been fired from the Minneapolis PD for lying.'
What...fired for lying? Maybe Ms.Assam wasn't aware of the "It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is" loophole.
Ms.Assam is a hero. Period. And the MSM that would try to tarnish her now aren't fit to shine her shoes.
In fact let me give the MSM a taste of their own medicine. Back in June 1973 when I was a rookie cop..I was taught by the old timers that there were 3 groups that I was NEVER to trust:
Junkies
Hookers
Reporters
Once again their advice is proven sage. The reporters aren't trying to diminish her heroism because she once lied to the Rat Squad while she was a cop...they dislike her because she is a Christian and dared give credit to Almighty God and the Holy Ghost for seeing her through a terrible ordeal.
Well, my hat is off to you Ms.Assam, well done and thank you, and thank God for being there with you.
***
Joey Bagadonuts said...
"'The only thing MSM kept saying was that she had been fired from the Minneapolis PD for lying.'
What...fired for lying? Maybe Ms.Assam wasn't aware of the "It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is" loophole."
As indicated above, I do have the inside story on what occurred.
Prior to Jeanne Assam's acceptance of Christ she did confront a transit worker and referred to that worker with the "F-word".
Minneapolis PD IA called her into question her about it.
She lied about the incident by denying that she used the "F-word."
As it turned out that bus was one of very few in the city equipped with a video/audio recording device.
She was caught red-handed in her lie, and was fired a short time later.
Then she found Christ.
So, the MSM smear her with this unfortunate incident years later and in so doing accomplish Satan's agenda.
Hi- glad to see your link high on google after I, well, yeah "googled it.
My mother mentioned this event to me as she knew I was in "YWAM" years ago,
btw- it's just YWAM, not "The Ywam"
Stands for Youth with a Mission, about the largest missionary organization in the world, reaching every country in the world and with a "a base" in every country but one or two.
Didn't mean to rant or advertise at all.
Sin is universal, so are murderers, no respect to gender, religion, country, people group, etc. Reality of life that "sick" and crazy things will happen.
Actually a noble thing to die for a cause (the victim), not noble at all if your murdering.
Muslims are a strange bunch and need help, ywam and others can make a difference, maybe even you too.
Peace and Happy New Year !!
Scott
Scott,
Have you read in full what I wrote about the YWAM? I know very well what their mission is, and I know how inherently dangerous a mission it is, particularly when engaged in a Muslim country. I spent some time in the Middle East amidst Sunni and Shia Arabs. Through this experience afforded me by Uncle Sam I learned that in almost all Muslim countries it is a virtual death sentence if one is caught with so much as a Bible in ones possession much less if one engages in preaching the Gospel to them.
I know by the conviction of the Holy Spirit:
*That Islam is a delusion and deception upon all its adherents from Satan himself,
*That it was not the angel Gabriel who nearly choked Muhammed to death in attempting to force an illiterate Arab peasant to read his satanic dictates, who terrorized the life out of him.
*That after this encounter with the imposter demon sppirit that Muhammed wife, Khadiga, took him to a relative of hers, an uncle named Waraka ibn Nawfal. Ibn Nawfal was a priest in a pseudo-judeo-christian pagan cult known as Annuits and it was Waraka ibn Nawfal, influenced by the spirit of antichrist, who proclaimed Muhammed a "prophet" of the new religion of submission (Islam) to the false moon god, al-lah.
*That Islam was a creation of Satan specifically to oppose Jesus Christ, and as such Islam (submission) is, by Biblical definition, antichrist.
A Christian preaching the Gospel to Muslims is a mission God Himself will hae ordained or not ordained to a given individual or group of individuals, such a YWAM.
Such a mission about the same as a Christian or group of Christians preaching Yeshua is the Mashiach Adonai Nagid to Jews, Ultra, Orthodx or Reformed -- unless God ordains or annoints an individual or group for that mission then the mission of one of indidual will and not His Will. The only arbiter for such a mission would be conviction by the Holy Spirit to engage in that mission.
In my experience and conviction I believe it is the Lords Will that Born Again former-Muslims are best suited to preach the Gospel to Musims, and Messianic Jews as best suited to preach Yeshua Mashiach Adonai Nagid to the Jews.
I make no judgement with respect to YMAM and their adopted "Red Sea Covenant" mission except to acknowledge it's inherent dangers, and probable role in Satanic reprisals. Godspeed to YWAM and their adult leadership in their undertaking -- if it is of God then it will succeed.
However, I also know quite clearly by the conviction of the Holy Spirit what my mission is, and preaching to Muslims or Jews is not my mission. My mission is that of a watchman in the application of things prophetic from the Word of God in these 'Last Days.'
In His Service,
Sean
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